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07/23/2012

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Any info yet on what the grenade was? Some reports say smoke. Others say some kind of tear gas. Another factor to consider. Very few are trained with tear gas. That said, doesn't the visibility hit from smoke work against the attacker as well?

Wonder why no one rush the shooter when he was changing weapons.

Here is a snap comment on the incident.

Your analysis may be close, but there are so many unknown issues involved in the "Efficiency in Ambiguity" so far. Who was present that even had some capacity to put the Bad Guy (I don’t know how to rate him right now – predator, varmint, snake – there may be aspects or traits to him that fall under all of these) down while walking into the face of fire? So far, I have not heard of anyone coming forward who admitted they were a cop or legally armed, let alone capable of standing up to the BG.

The person would have had to overcome a lot in the tick of a moment. Illusion or reality? Smoke or special effects? Real gunfire or a special sound track?

While I know folks that will immediately walk into the face of hell, even these types do not want to harm someone with too little information; even if it only take an instant for their decision. I have not heard a timeline yet to determine how long or short this event lasted before the BG walked back out the door.

I am hesitant to challenge someone trained and experienced in such action who may have been present but lacked sufficient information for Moral Certainty because I was not there to make such a judgment.

thats pretty much what ive been sayin for a LONG time now the sad but cold hard fact is im not even IN any kinda law enforcement it really sucks that so many are so blind to the cold hard truth sometimes

Very few people, in any walk of life, see themselves as fighters any more…and I suspect that includes cops and soldiers:/ Old-School, Yes at one time in the Army we were trained to close in for a Kill, but that training has changed to more of a Police-Action in Todays New Army. At least that was the way it was going when I retired / Great Information on your pages here. Have a Good Day!

Gabe, good article. I am a uniformed patrol officer in a medium sized department. I wish I could present a good counter argument about few people viewing themselves as fighters; unfortunately, I cannot. I am amazed by people that refuse to accept personal responsibility to protect thenselves, even loved ones. They believe that every officer is ready and waiting to inflict violence upon those that would do them harm. This, however, is not the case. Sorry if I offend fellow officers out there, but I've done 14 years so far, have two engagements and have seen what Gabe writes about.

This is excellent information and something we all should have ingrained in us---respond and not shrink away. Easier said than done but the mind set must be practiced. Thanks much for this great article.
The other thought is---don't go to stupid places where they ban your sidearm. open ad to the criminal isn't it?

Grand article as always Mr. Suarez. Working in unarmed private security, I too have seen/heard/felt the same situations taking shape and the "fog" of having to stand there as I have to weigh all the options before I take action.

Off the job, I have reached for my CCW at least three times and have drawn once. At least when I felt the need I didn't hesitate, and the one time I did draw I was on target within a second and taking up the trigger tension as my pistol was coming on target. Thankfully, that time was a false alarm and nothing further was needed but to re-holster my CCW and go home for the night. Thanks for the great articles. People tend to forget they come from someone who has "seen the elephant"....and lived.

Gray_Rider

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